@carlindelco Bush got through EVERYTHING he wanted. We have been under the Bush tax cuts for about 8 years now. Where are all the jobs that were supposed to be created? More jobs have been created this year than in all eight years combined of Bush.
Bush and the republicans had total lock on the government for six years - if there was something wrong with the lending practices, why did they not fix it? WHY NOT???
@NShutterbug We don’t YOU do! LOL ahah here this what did the dems TRY to pass that was blocked? you don’t even know.The subprime lending practices encourage and ordered by the dems.. Bush Reform Act was blocked by Democrats, along with some of the “gold old boy” Republicans that Palin fought in Alaska. which we all know led to fannie and freddie which own nearly half of ALL mortgages to collapse. and blarney fwank said they looked good???
@carlindelco Why do RWers always have to get personal when arguing — because they lost the argument. Did you check out the the google I asked you to search for. And as for your figures concerning 2006, you are just plain wrong. The Dems could not get anything passed because those years had the highest number of filibusters in the history of the congress. Please point to one bill that was passed that affected job creation by the Dems? How did they cause it? You win in your fantasies.
@NShutterbug EXCUSE me 2000? You mean pre-9-11 which devastated the economy for quite a while?? We did NOT experience a decline and a steady lose of job until the dem/lib/progs took control in 2006. You better go back to school soon and learn to do some research before you come on here to try and debate with adults ok? And of course you TOTALLY avoid my historical factual reference
This disaster is the result liberal spending..
I win !! Thanks!
@chaumont20 Fannie Mae and Freddid Mac ran into problems under the BUSH administration. And Obama is hardly a socialist - I do not think that you know what the word means. Please provide a specific example of the “socialism” that the democrats have implemented. I bet you cannot. (PS. clue - why are the democrats disappointed with Obama?)
@NShutterbug Are the words Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac anywhere in the 2500 page bill, if not, then you have a cover up. The kind of Government under all Americans is a Representive Republic. I’m so glad President Obama sent a tape to this, That Reid and Pelosi were here. The more Progressive Socialists talk, the more people know about you. Democrats - Liberals and Progressive Socialists are very good at Bitching and Moaning but they can not Govern.
Al illustrates the typical liberal historical illiteracy
Yeah Al when republicans take control of Congress and the Senate you get a balanced budget and a thriving economy!! You know like we had when clinton was in orifice ahh I mean office and newt and company had the ” Contract with America” I kinda think those times that followed were pretty damm good.
It’s when you guys take over is when things turn really really bad like in the “Great depression” and NOW!!!
@chaumont20 - Please provide some examples of how the bill “covered up” who, how and what. Also, please describe what kind of government there was under Bush I, and how the Finance Bill make it different from then. Otherwise, you are just spouting nonsense.
@NShutterbug The Democrats - Liberals and Progressive Socialists made a start this week with the Finance Bill. They covered up for President Obama, Chris Dodd (D) Conn, Barney Frank (D) Mass, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. See you in November.
Oh, and another thing. The corporations practice socialism - when they fail, like Enron, the Savings and Loans under Bush I, etc, they get bailed out by the taxpayer. When a taxpayer goes under, they are on their own, expected to follow free market philosophy, and declare bankruptcy.
@ADULTEDUCATION4U Obama made a start this week with the Finance Bill. He could not do more because of Republican opposition. But it is a start. As jawayetti stated, when corporations can no longer buy politicians with donations, then they can no longer control the congress. The people who go to congress should be decided by the people, not by how much money corporations can throw at them.
@ADULTEDUCATION4U Controlling the revolving door of government to lobbyist and implementing true campaign finance reform (and not the SCOTUS BS of any company, any time, from anywhere) will go a long way.
@NShutterbug All very valid points. Maybe there was a misunderstanding.True there should be regulatory agencies watching over the corps. Thats not whats happening. So we need to deal with what has taken place, the formation of a fascist leviathan that has taken the place of our republic, and at this point Im not sure if we can regulate it back into existance.
Corporation CONTROLLING government is called fascism. Government regulating private corporations is not. How do you think we have managed to live with regulations ensuring air quality, water quality, vehicle safety, protection from racketeering, safety standards on roads, infrastructure, building codes, etc. Or do you want to live in a country like Somalia where there is no regulation?
@ADULTEDUCATION4U I was talking about the US. Since the 1980s regulation has been decreasing thanks to Reagan, Bush and sadly Clinton. “2002: lacking government oversight, Enron rips off ratepayers throughout the west”. ” “2008: lacking government oversight, big banks and Wall Street brokers drag the USA into a deep recession”. “2010: lacking government oversight, BP causes a disastrous oil spill”. You do not understand the difference between fascism and regulation.
@NShutterbug What? of course there was , Hitler, Mousalini, are two that come to mind. It just came to mind when Franken, made the statement about the relationship between government and corporations, he seems really comfortable with the idea, maybe hes just very cool about it, but Im sure he understands whats in play here in the political theater.
@nekedemus I dont know if your rude or stupid, or confused. I simply made a comment on a statement that he made, when you merge government with corporations that is the definition of fascism, what are you talking, are you high.
@nekedemus I’d like to think that not many Americans are that ignorant, but it seems like the massively ignorant minority like to shout louder then the rest of us.
@ADULTEDUCATION4U Franken is talking about regulation.
OK. I just checked. From USA = don´t know shit about nothing.
Fascism. o_0 Do you also think communism = Fascism. many UStards do. lol
Excuse me for being rude but the ignorance of Americans are sometimes so ??.
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Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@carlindelco Bush got through EVERYTHING he wanted. We have been under the Bush tax cuts for about 8 years now. Where are all the jobs that were supposed to be created? More jobs have been created this year than in all eight years combined of Bush.
Bush and the republicans had total lock on the government for six years - if there was something wrong with the lending practices, why did they not fix it? WHY NOT???
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@NShutterbug We don’t YOU do! LOL ahah here this what did the dems TRY to pass that was blocked? you don’t even know.The subprime lending practices encourage and ordered by the dems.. Bush Reform Act was blocked by Democrats, along with some of the “gold old boy” Republicans that Palin fought in Alaska. which we all know led to fannie and freddie which own nearly half of ALL mortgages to collapse. and blarney fwank said they looked good???
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@carlindelco Why do RWers always have to get personal when arguing — because they lost the argument. Did you check out the the google I asked you to search for. And as for your figures concerning 2006, you are just plain wrong. The Dems could not get anything passed because those years had the highest number of filibusters in the history of the congress. Please point to one bill that was passed that affected job creation by the Dems? How did they cause it? You win in your fantasies.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@NShutterbug EXCUSE me 2000? You mean pre-9-11 which devastated the economy for quite a while?? We did NOT experience a decline and a steady lose of job until the dem/lib/progs took control in 2006. You better go back to school soon and learn to do some research before you come on here to try and debate with adults ok? And of course you TOTALLY avoid my historical factual reference
This disaster is the result liberal spending..
I win !! Thanks!
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
Thank God for real public servants like Senator Al Franken.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@chaumont20 Fannie Mae and Freddid Mac ran into problems under the BUSH administration. And Obama is hardly a socialist - I do not think that you know what the word means. Please provide a specific example of the “socialism” that the democrats have implemented. I bet you cannot. (PS. clue - why are the democrats disappointed with Obama?)
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@carlindelco Who had a majority between 2000 and 2006, when the economy was set on the course to a depression. Please google:
CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, The Deficit You’re Freaking Out About Is Bush’s Fault.
and look at real economic NUMBERS not fantasy.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@NShutterbug Are the words Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac anywhere in the 2500 page bill, if not, then you have a cover up. The kind of Government under all Americans is a Representive Republic. I’m so glad President Obama sent a tape to this, That Reid and Pelosi were here. The more Progressive Socialists talk, the more people know about you. Democrats - Liberals and Progressive Socialists are very good at Bitching and Moaning but they can not Govern.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
Al illustrates the typical liberal historical illiteracy
Yeah Al when republicans take control of Congress and the Senate you get a balanced budget and a thriving economy!! You know like we had when clinton was in orifice ahh I mean office and newt and company had the ” Contract with America” I kinda think those times that followed were pretty damm good.
It’s when you guys take over is when things turn really really bad like in the “Great depression” and NOW!!!
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@chaumont20 - Please provide some examples of how the bill “covered up” who, how and what. Also, please describe what kind of government there was under Bush I, and how the Finance Bill make it different from then. Otherwise, you are just spouting nonsense.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@NShutterbug The Democrats - Liberals and Progressive Socialists made a start this week with the Finance Bill. They covered up for President Obama, Chris Dodd (D) Conn, Barney Frank (D) Mass, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. See you in November.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
Oh, and another thing. The corporations practice socialism - when they fail, like Enron, the Savings and Loans under Bush I, etc, they get bailed out by the taxpayer. When a taxpayer goes under, they are on their own, expected to follow free market philosophy, and declare bankruptcy.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@ADULTEDUCATION4U Obama made a start this week with the Finance Bill. He could not do more because of Republican opposition. But it is a start. As jawayetti stated, when corporations can no longer buy politicians with donations, then they can no longer control the congress. The people who go to congress should be decided by the people, not by how much money corporations can throw at them.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@ADULTEDUCATION4U Controlling the revolving door of government to lobbyist and implementing true campaign finance reform (and not the SCOTUS BS of any company, any time, from anywhere) will go a long way.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@NShutterbug All very valid points. Maybe there was a misunderstanding.True there should be regulatory agencies watching over the corps. Thats not whats happening. So we need to deal with what has taken place, the formation of a fascist leviathan that has taken the place of our republic, and at this point Im not sure if we can regulate it back into existance.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
Corporation CONTROLLING government is called fascism. Government regulating private corporations is not. How do you think we have managed to live with regulations ensuring air quality, water quality, vehicle safety, protection from racketeering, safety standards on roads, infrastructure, building codes, etc. Or do you want to live in a country like Somalia where there is no regulation?
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@ADULTEDUCATION4U I was talking about the US. Since the 1980s regulation has been decreasing thanks to Reagan, Bush and sadly Clinton. “2002: lacking government oversight, Enron rips off ratepayers throughout the west”. ” “2008: lacking government oversight, big banks and Wall Street brokers drag the USA into a deep recession”. “2010: lacking government oversight, BP causes a disastrous oil spill”. You do not understand the difference between fascism and regulation.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@NShutterbug What? of course there was , Hitler, Mousalini, are two that come to mind. It just came to mind when Franken, made the statement about the relationship between government and corporations, he seems really comfortable with the idea, maybe hes just very cool about it, but Im sure he understands whats in play here in the political theater.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@nekedemus I dont know if your rude or stupid, or confused. I simply made a comment on a statement that he made, when you merge government with corporations that is the definition of fascism, what are you talking, are you high.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@ADULTEDUCATION4U So there was fascism before the eighties?
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@nekedemus I’d like to think that not many Americans are that ignorant, but it seems like the massively ignorant minority like to shout louder then the rest of us.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
@ADULTEDUCATION4U Franken is talking about regulation.
OK. I just checked. From USA = don´t know shit about nothing.
Fascism. o_0 Do you also think communism = Fascism. many UStards do. lol
Excuse me for being rude but the ignorance of Americans are sometimes so ??.
Anonymous 07.31.10 at 8:48 pm
corporations with government permission is called fascism, Senator Franken.